Nov 21 2008
Supreme Court To Conference On Obama Citizenship
This issue just got very interesting. December 5, 2008, ten days prior to the electoral college scheduled meeting to formalize Obama’s Presidential election, the Supreme Court will hold a conference to determine whether or not they will hear the case of Obama’s citizenship. If four of the nine Justices vote to hear the case oral arguments may be scheduled.
The case, filed by Leo C. Donofrio against Nina Wells, the Secretary of State in New Jersey, was originally rejected by Justice David Souter. When re-filed with Justice Clarence Thomas it was scheduled for conference. The case questions whether or not the three candidates on the ballot in New Jersey, Barack Obama, John McCain, and Roger Calero, are qualified under the U.S. Constitution’s requirement that a president be a “natural-born citizen.”
When challenged, John McCain immediately produced a birth certificate, however, Barack Obama has consistently refused to present a true and certified copy of his.
Former Presidential contender Alan Keyes has also filed suit in California asking the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state’s 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. According to World Net Daily
The governor’s office in Hawaii said there is a valid certificate but rejected requests for access and left ambiguous its origin: Does the certificate on file with the Department of Health indicate a Hawaii birth or was it generated after the Obama family registered a Kenyan birth in Hawaii?
Obama’s half-sister, Maya Soetoro, has named two different Hawaii hospitals where Obama could have been born. There have been other allegations that Obama actually was born in Kenya during a time when his father was a British subject.
The California action was filed by Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation on behalf of Keyes, the presidential candidate of the American Independent Party, along with Wiley S. Drake and Markham Robinson, both California electors.
“Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that (a) usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal,” the action challenges.
An Obama spokesman interviewed by WND described such lawsuits as “garbage.”
The popular vote Nov. 4 favored Obama over Sen. John McCain by several percentage points. But because of the distribution of the votes, Obama is projected to take the Electoral College vote, when it is held in December, by a 2-to-1 margin.
The California case states, “There is a reasonable and common expectation by the voters that to qualify for the ballot, the individuals running for office must meet minimum qualifications as outlined in the federal and state Constitutions and statutes, and that compliance with those minimum qualifications has been confirmed by the officials overseeing the election process,” the complaint said, when in fact the only documentation currently required is a signed statement from the candidate attesting to those qualifications.
“Since [the secretary of state] has, as its core, the mission of certifying and establishing the validity of the election process, this writ seeks a Court Order barring SOS from certifying the California Electors until documentary proof that Senator Obama is a ‘natural born’ citizen of the United States of America is received by her,” the document said.
“This proof could include items such as his original birth certificate, showing the name of the hospital and the name and the signature of the doctor, all of his passports with immigration stamps, and verification from the governments where the candidate has resided, verifying that he did not, and does not, hold citizenship of these countries, and any other documents that certify an individual’s citizenship and/or qualification for office.
The “certificate of live birth” posted by the Obama campaign cannot be viewed as authoritative, the case alleges.
“Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence,” the document said. “The only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama’s original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him.”
The case also raises the circumstances of Obama’s time during his youth in Indonesia, where he was listed as having Indonesian citizenship. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship, raising the possibility of Obama’s mother having given up his U.S. citizenship.
Any subsequent U.S. citizenship then, the case claims, would be “naturalized,” not “natural-born.”
I will be very surprised if the Supreme Court decided to hear the case, but then again I never expected it to make it to conference. If the court decides not to hear it I put my money on Kennedy being the deciding factor. What do you think?
I think that the whole issue is ridiculous and a tremendous waste of time and money. Sad and pathetic also come to mind.
Ditto. The man has a passport. If the justice department hears the case, simply to shut Fox News up, they are publically stating they have no faith in the homeland security procedures that are responsible for ensuring only US citizens get a passport.
After a two year election process, it astonishes me that this issue has not yet been settled. Homeland Security and the Patriot Act allows the government to know everything about an individual. Does anyone honestly believe something this big would escape the government’s watchful eye? Especially considering he is a Democrat and the Republicans had control of the White House?
The above posters are way behind the curve of the concerns of many good citizens in this great country AND more importantly completely oblivious as to the premise of Mr. Donofrio’s suit.
Its in conference for a reason.The guardians of the Constitution must decide where they are going to hide out once they have to flex their power.The Soros-bought media including his SOS-bought state electors are seeking to dupe the SHEEPLE.But the patriots are energized and alert.
The Framers of the Constitution did not want divided loyalties,or possible foreigners moving about in our seat of government.That’s why they termed the phrase…singularly mentioned in regards to POTUS eligibility, “Natural Born Citizen”.One must not be sired,nor born elsewhere.One must be perfectly AMERICAN. Most people do not understand this in the GLOBAL-BRAINWASHING world in which they exist.
If they decertify this inept charlatan’s election to the Presidency, there will be riots in the streets and death everywhere.
Don’t worry your little heads off, the people running this country are so crooked that Obama will simply buy them off. Yes, he will BUY off the Supreme Court.
Mark my words - absolutely nothing will happen, and this interloper will go on to the Presidency and destroy everything that America was.
Then we can settle down and have a good old-fashioned civil war.
I’m actually looking forward to it.
If Obama was a natural-born citizen of the US he would have already produced the original birth certificate … this is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated upon America if he is not compelled to prove his place of birth. Being republican or Democrat has absolutely nothing to do with the government today … witness the Wall Street give-away to the international bankers and how the dollar will crash to see who rules in America today. The politicians are just a distraction while the rape of the economy continues.
You gotta hear this 90 minute blogradio on why the media has a blackout of the looming Obama Birth Certificate Constitutional Crisis:
http://politicalpistachio.blogspot.com/2008/11/why-is-obamas-birth-certificate-still.html
Although, I strongly supported Senator McCain for President and voted for him, I am of the legal opinion that it really doesn’t matter where Obama was born. Obama was likely born in Kenya and probably can’t prove natural born United States’ citizenship via an original birth certificate. The birth certificate argument is really a red herring/non-issue! If it can be “proven” Obama’s Kenyan father was already married at the time he married Obama’s mother who was three months pregnant with Obama, the Hawaiian marriage was, in fact, bigamous and by Hawaiian law was “void ab initio” and not voidable at the election of one of the parties. See 40 Haw. 1-3 (1953). The marriage was invalid from the onset. Accordingly, Obama was legally born out-of-wedlock. Under applicable law (1961), a child born out-of-wedlock to a United States’ citizen mother is a United States’ NATURAL BORN citizen if the mother was a resident in the United States for a period of one year prior to the birth of the child. Obama’s mother fully meets said requirement. Accordingly, if Obama can PROVE his Kenyan father was already married at the time he married Obama’s mother, President-elect Obama will be President Obama come next January. In my opinion, this is the legal argument Obama’s attorneys should probably advance in his citizenship litigation. (Retired Attorney)
mayorofnowhere makes the serious mistake of supposing that people care what he thinks or feels because he thinks or feels it.
katieann makes the serious mistake of supposing that Obama could not have a passport obtained before the department of homeland security existed or that he could not be traveling on a foreign passport.
atorturedsoul makes the serious mistake of supposing that Homeland Security is competently run. Recall that Michael Brown’s direct boss during the Katrina disaster was not George Bush, but Michael Chertoff, head of Homeland Security.
All three ignore the most obvious signs that Obama is not a natural born citizen. #1. He won’t release his birth certificate. #2. His grandmother claims (in an African language) that she was there when he was born in Mombasa Kenya. #3. The Ambassador from Kenya (Peter Odego) in the US has been recorded recently in perfectly fluent English on a popular local radio program stating that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya. #4. Obama has acted repeatedly as though he does have allegiances other than to the USA, participating in Kenyan politics, proclaiming himself a citizen of the world, etc. #5. Virtually the entire mainstream media has been blacking out almost all news on this issue while knowledge of it spreads like a virus on computer steroids through the internet.
atorturedsoul wrote;
“Does anyone honestly believe something this big would escape the government’s watchful eye? ”
You are a real funny guy! Mohammad Atta and the other 911 terrorists all escaped your so called “government’s watchful eye.” I guess that eye is also blind towards the southern border! What “watchful eye?”
Only third world countries “elect” third world presidents. Welcome to Amerikwa! Now sit back, grab a bag of popcorn and enjoy the circus!
It’s a shame that people who claim to love America are so afraid of a leader who promises to shake things up and make America great again that they will do anything they can to maintain the current status quo. I’m guessing the two commenters above me here are amongst those responsible for voting Bush twice into office, and would have happily had a third term Bush take his place.
Since most americans are mixed blood heritage(and most of the americans I know are proud of this link to another land) I guess the natural born American noted above must mean First Nation/Native American.
Hi Katieanne, I hope all is well with you today.
1. Let me say I am not at all happy with George Bush, but he has certainly gotten a bum rap. The Democrats and liberal media in this country have done a great job of making the world despise him and our policies.
2. What does that mean “mixed blood heritage?”
3. I love the EU. They have some fabulous places and great qualities, however, even places such as England are understanding the mistake of going further into the realm of socialism and they are trying to backtrack it which is not an easy task.
We (meaning me and the conservatives I know) truly do cherish our U.S. Constitution and part of the requirement placed within that document is that the President of the United States must in fact be a natural born citizen of this great country. Certainly you can understand the value of this requirement.